Vista breaks 90% of games, claims game publisher

[Porkinator]

Link to article.
http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/30/vista_games/

[Houdini]

[Sideous Prime]

face it, lazy software developers are going to have to recode how their software and windows get along. software vendors don't want to have change how they do things. in essence, for the first time in 12 years(correct me if i'm wrong) something major has changed(UAC in particular) and the software industry just needs to catch up.

[ClownMajik]

Sid is right. The same thing happened when OSX came out. Mac said to all software developers, rewrite your code or piss off and take your business elsewhere. On our side as a consumer it's not a big deal since stuff like this has already happened. I can speak from experience dealing with OSX issues first hand from a previous employer.

Programmers adapted very quickly. Unfortunately the consumers also suffered by being forced to buy full versions of many softwares. Even companies like Adobe were completely anal about letting customers get special upgrade prices. A lot of them ended up paying nearly full prices for brand new licenses. Lazy indeed. Just give it time. If I remember right, Adobe offered $100 discounts for each suite license sold to previous customers. Not much of a discount for a $1500 software package. Sure there was profit in it, but Adobe also had to find a way to fund literally brand new software. Thankfully consumer's costs won't be an issue with Vista, as most commercial software is already compatible. We just need to wait for patches and drivers from third parties or hardware manufacturers to fix upcoming issues.

[law.of.averages]

face it, lazy software developers are going to have to recode how their software and windows get along. software vendors don't want to have change how they do things. in essence, for the first time in 12 years(correct me if i'm wrong) something major has changed(UAC in particular) and the software industry just needs to catch up.

It's not always developers. In repsonse to my request for cd keys for Vista and Office 2007, our Internal IT support team sent out a broadcast message "We will not support Vistal or Office 2007 until service pack 1 is released".

HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO WRITE SOFTWARE FOR VISTA WHEN I'M NOT ALLOWED TO INSTALL IT?

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It's not always developers. In repsonse to my request for cd keys for Vista and Office 2007, our Internal IT support team sent out a broadcast message "We will not support Vistal or Office 2007 until service pack 1 is released".

HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO WRITE SOFTWARE FOR VISTA WHEN I'M NOT ALLOWED TO INSTALL IT?

They didn't say don't install it, they said they won't support it.

[Sideous Prime]

sounds like you'll be waiting until the fourth quarter of this year for your vista support law.

as much as pain in the arse as this may be for software vendors and consumers alike, this is probably a good move by microsoft. it's this type of protection that helps keep a newb from installing a rogue executable and completely waxing a system. that is until a hax finds a way around it.

[law.of.averages]

It's not always developers. In repsonse to my request for cd keys for Vista and Office 2007, our Internal IT support team sent out a broadcast message "We will not support Vistal or Office 2007 until service pack 1 is released".

HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO WRITE SOFTWARE FOR VISTA WHEN I'M NOT ALLOWED TO INSTALL IT?

They didn't say don't install it, they said they won't support it.

And how am i to do that without the CD keys that they won't give me? I'll say this... at last week's microsoft event, when the presenter asked all the developers in the room... "Who's ready for Vista, who here is NOT running as an administrator when they're developing / testing?" ... I was the only one in the room to raise my hand.

[nonstop]

It's not always developers. In repsonse to my request for cd keys for Vista and Office 2007, our Internal IT support team sent out a broadcast message "We will not support Vistal or Office 2007 until service pack 1 is released".

HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO WRITE SOFTWARE FOR VISTA WHEN I'M NOT ALLOWED TO INSTALL IT?

They didn't say don't install it, they said they won't support it.

And how am i to do that without the CD keys that they won't give me? I'll say this... at last week's microsoft event, when the presenter asked all the developers in the room... "Who's ready for Vista, who here is NOT running as an administrator when they're developing / testing?" ... I was the only one in the room to raise my hand.

Oh gotcha. Some companies handle budgets/IT support differently. We can get whatever we want, IT just may not support it though.

[Sideous Prime]

hey law, how did microsoft respond to that? surely they know that business will not be upgrading immediately.

[Houdini]

Pork

You know when you wrote this it did not occur to me that I had read a cool article about this in CPU mag. The guy that it was about if I am not wrong is Alex St. John the founder of wildtangent.com and also one of the founding creators of DirectX. I am going to get his book I thought it looked interesting "Renegades of the Empire". It’s about creating DirectX, Chrome effects and MS early efforts in creating a multimedia browser. There is also apparently a video I think you would be interested in considering your feeling for MS. During the video which is a lecture he is giving to game developers about the upcoming obstacles with Vista he turns to the bunch of MS guys in the crowd and asks why they are not the ones giving the lecture? Here is the link if you want it and you will have to register but I think this site may be interesting to other people too seeing the cool lectures on computer topics it has. Check it out:

http://www.gdctv.net/basic/index.htm#wildtangent

[law.of.averages]

hey law, how did microsoft respond to that? surely they know that business will not be upgrading immediately.

Oh it's about what they expect... He just went into the reasons for working under a "limited user account" Mainly being you find out about any 'Admin required' situations at code time, rather than test (or worse, deploy)

... stuff I'd already heard in October when I took an advanced course in .NET debugging ...